You aren't hurting anyone by having any sort of homosexual relations with others so long as they are consensual. All these anti-gay loudmouths in the comment section need to become more self aware of their own bullshit and take a fuckin sociology class. Or better yet, just stop projecting and come out of the closet already
The religion of peace is also in force in Uganda? The mob that has approved the punishment of the LGBT community are ancestral traitors. They have nothing of their own because everything they have made their own belongs to another and will never become theirs. https://vishnuh.nl/english-books-3/the-religion-of-peace/
LBGT is such a western thing. Because we have no other worries we have to start making debates for who peoples should be able to have sex with. While others fights civil wars, poverty and diseases. Makes our problems pale in comparison. It's just on such a low priority everywhere else.
Homosexuality is not western, it was born inside africa too, it is african too, and the problem is they're making it a problem, just stop forbidding it, they're creating their problem, no matter if it's important or not, they're creating it
@patrick wasike that's exactly the point, "we will not have that section of people recognized in our laws", that's discrimination, you need to stop discriminating people. You ask for equality (no to racism), but you're not willing to be equalitarian, that's your mistake. And it is a fact homosexuality was not introduced in africa, homophobia was
@J_C My friend, you may be sleeping wherever you are, am in office so I will be brief. You can rant all you want, but you will wake to the reality that we shall not remove, add, or otherwise adjust laws for the benefit of your group. Keep hiding. Obama could not convince Uhuru Kenyatta in 2015 and they disagreed openly before the whole world. So you can imagine how inconsequential you are.
@OttoUrsus The fact that you cant avoid abusive language in this discussion signifies, to me, the irrelevance of your submission. You can rant all you want my friend, but we shall come to reality which that we will not have that section of people recognized in our laws. Uhur openly disagreed with Obama before the whole world in 2015 on that, so your rants are inconsequential
@patrick wasike "When someone cant understand what you say, they will run to " too much with no sense", and that is acceptable as a defense mechanism" You made no sense. Unless you are unable to clarify I'm going to assume "scientific justification of their orientation" is nonsense. Like I said, something being justified is morality and that is outside of the realms of science. You're asking for something contradictory.
"You said it is all about opinions, and I made my argument on that basis. Good thing is you can always go back and refer." I looked back, and I never said that. Why are you resorting to lying already?
"we are not going to open another page in our laws to give room for this stuff" Yet you have laws specifically for the punishment of homosexuals. That's accommodation, albeit negative accommodation. NOT having laws punishing homosexuals would be the neutral approach to homosexuality. You're contradicting yourself. This is the argument I made in my last comment, although it's clear it went right over your head.
"to mean having in place laws that recognize homosexuality." Yet, like I just said, you have laws in place recognizing homosexuality for the purposes of punishment.
"Dont be literal if you wanna be sensible. How do you even start getting attracted to a man( for a man).
" I don't know. COMPLETELY irrelevant. I can tell you that I experienced these attractions when I was young and never had attractions towards females. That's not something that was under my control. Still, like I said, it is completely irrelevant to the legality of homosexuality.
"Homosexuality is in itself a threat to human existence. How do you expect us to bend rules to praise that which threatens our very existence as human beings?" I saved this ridiculous statement for last because it needed the most attention. There is evidence of homosexual humans dating back at least to the time of ancient Rome. Gay people have existed since then and yet we have continued to see throughout history a generally positive increase of the human population. That alone disproves your idiotic statement. There is no scientific, statistical, or logical evidence that gay people are posing a threat to the human race in any way. Stop spreading lies. I would ask you to provide some sort of evidence of this claim but it's clear you're making shit up in a desperate attempt to come up with anything to justify your discrimination. And, to address the second statement, NOBODY is asking for bending of rules to accommodate homosexuality. What's being requested is a REMOVAL of rules punishing people for being who they uncontrollably are.
If you reply, please cut the lies out. Learn to think objectively and scientifically. You're living proof that having a degree doesn't necessarily mean a person has critical thinking skills.
@patrick wasike I'll repeat my previous comment since I can see you didn't read it: "you idiot you just admitted you write out of what you assume, and not out of what you know, because you know nothing. You were so ignorant you didn't know there's historical record of homosexuality in africa before colonization, and you call homosexuality "madness", you ignorant, "madness" is what harms people, homosexuality doesn't, so therefore it is not madness, westerns made you homophobic, stop being so ignorant and stupid."
@Klaus von der Heiden didn't other humans come from Africa anyways and dude Africans aren't as primitive as you think I mean the wealth of the world is unarguably largely because of Africa and technology wise Africa is also doing well
You are probably one of those people who believe in all those $15 will feed a hungry child ads
Finally some fucking sanity in this world. He’s saying that yes, he personally does support gay rights, but there are so many more important things to deal with first in Kenya. Are we looking at an actual politician???
leviticus book is clear??
Punishments for Sexual Immorality
10 “If a man commits adultery with the wife of[f] his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. 11 If a man lies with his father's wife, he has uncovered his father's nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. 12 If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them. 13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. 14 If a man takes a woman and her mother also, it is depravity; he and they shall be burned with fire, that there may be no depravity among you. 15 If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. 16 If a woman approaches any animal and lies with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
17 “If a man takes his sister, a daughter of his father or a daughter of his mother, and sees her nakedness, and she sees his nakedness, it is a disgrace, and they shall be cut off in the sight of the children of their people. He has uncovered his sister's nakedness, and he shall bear his iniquity. 18 If a man lies with a woman during her menstrual period and uncovers her nakedness, he has made naked her fountain, and she has uncovered the fountain of her blood. Both of them shall be cut off from among their people. 19 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your mother's sister or of your father's sister, for that is to make naked one's relative; they shall bear their iniquity. 20 If a man lies with his uncle's wife, he has uncovered his uncle's nakedness; they shall bear their sin; they shall die childless. 21 If a man takes his brother's wife, it is impurity.[g] He has uncovered his brother's nakedness; they shall be childless.
can not believe this? people love sodomy so much??
not to is not only the religion reasons ,but health quesequenses? ask your GP.
once the rectum muscles is used, then become lose forever. but vagina is elastic muscles can be used and contract, but not rectum. thus why you can not control your rectum musles any more. you end up on wearing nappy.
One thing people of the west don't know is a lot of African Countries the sistem is pased on thier calture and treditions which goes back thousands of years. presidents are representetivs to the world but the people rule themselfs.
@One Punch Man always since the 18th century you fool, homophobia was introduced by religious colonizers, learn about the hisyory of africa you ignorant, homosexuality was practiced and accepted before colonizers arrived
@OttoUrsus stop supporting men's ending on earth H.E Paul Kagams needs soldiers that's what my man's is talking. If you smart enough don't Rwanda with gays cz I will cook you gays on sauce pan fuk off. Let's be the men of africa
@VOODUU PRIEST If you defend discrimination, then you could support racism too, discrimination is never acceptable, and if you're black, you're even more inferior, a black guy supporting discrimination, inferior fool
2 Timothy 3: 1-5 But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, 3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, 4 betrayers, head-strong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, 5 having an appearance of godliness but proving false to its power, and from these turn away.
@OttoUrsus obviously you are the fool ..You think ruining people's lives because they do not accept or agree with homosexuality doesnt cause harm? You believe harm is only physical? Or are you just stupid?
Yes the homosexual community is evil and sick and I do not know a single person who has treated gays the way you all described but that is the way gays act when you do not accept their ways ....when is the last time s Christian tryed to ruin your life by getting you fired or ruining your business for not accepting christianity? Never!!
he does have a point..... what can he do if the majority of the kenyan ppl are antigay, he have no choice but to agree with majority of the citizen and why care about the minority, its democracy after all...........but then again, black ppl use to be the minority back then....fck i have mixed feeling with this
I’m reading all these comments and it’s just soo hateful because I promise you that If you all were fighting for equality it would be one of the utmost importance to anyone who are gay straight etc... is to have equality!
@OttoUrsus "not true you ignorant. Homosexuals are and will always be just 4-10% of the population, you ignorant. And LGBT is not madness, fool" Don't post on a online discussion that may get a response to, if you are just going to ree
"and what's wrong is lack of equality, not equality" Because that will lead to degeneracy.
OttoUrsus Tell me what country/continent you reside in and I would be happy to outline the problems to you. Just ball park, nothing that could dox yourself.Also your comment about me being a fool shows intolerance, unobjectivity, and bias.
There's nothing ridiculous in asking for equality, and there's nothing arrogant in considering yourself equal to other people, she has no reason to consider herself i ferior you idiot, they're two humn beings. Stop asking for others to feel inferior like you
Social and moral values are not equally distributed around the world. Just because gay rights are respected/tolerated/accepted in north america doesnt mean the rest of the world is on the same wave. If you ask a kenyan president why there are no gay rights in kenya it means you cannot begin to imagine the deep cultural differences between african societies and north American society.
@Nonzuzo Gumede you ignorant, again, these are not my believes, this is equality. And the difference is that usa is not legally racist, we have no laws against blacks, but you do have laws against homosexuality, you idiot. And I generalize because africa is the continent with more anti-gay countries, you ignorant, YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH
@OttoUrsus And what the West doesn't??? We watch the news of police killing people simply because their black and other minorities then claiming it was self-defense, when they had no gun or weapon on them. Nobody is changing the subject, I'm simply teaching you not to generalize and to stop this false narrative of Africa as a whole discriminates. The Kenyan President does not represent all 54 African states. You sound very ignorant, and you also sound like a white supremacist who wants to force their "beliefs" on others and call it "teaching/being helpful" With that have several seats, and do your research before spewing out garbage like this.
@Nonzuzo Gumede "so-called"? this is equality, equal rights for everyone is real equality, not "so-called equality". And don't change the subject, this is about africa, and you africans are discriminating people
He is full of shit and he knows it. If there are more important issues, why are Kenyans so concerned with what gay people are doing? This is just authoritarian, religious bigotry and it distracts from the real problems in their country. Some third world leaders have in the past blamed homosexuality, among other things, for the ills of their societies, yet they then turn around and say they don't care about LGBT. I call BULL. FUCKING. SHIT. It's time for these leaders to grow up and own their shit, instead of picking on marginalised groups and blaming others for their failed societies.
Racism against sexual minorities is not a "fundamental value" but the difference between education and ignorance. I would not expect a continent that sold it's own people as human cargo for over four-hundred years to understand this since apparently Black rights are of no importance to Africans either!
@Jeffery Schneider I'm not going to shut up while injustice is still happening, and discrimination is an opinion that can never be respected. Usa won't leave alone africa, we won't be indifferent to injustice
@Al Caponey first, he is discriminating because he supports laws against homosexuality, second, there's nothing stupid in discrimination, and third, to attend this issue wouldn't make it more difficult to attend the other ones, so they have to solve it now. To give equal rights to gay people wouldn't make it more difficult to get water and food for the country, for example.
A society must accept gays before laws can be enacted, this is a idiotic subject to be discussion with the Kenyan govt. Mr. Kenyatta has a commitment to his society and must not allude to being against their beliefs either.
society will never accept them until laws have changed first, se what happened in usa wih black people, it was necessary to change laws and then society lowly changed their racist ideas (as a society, there are still many racist individuals)
Why would you tell the president of a sovereign country that he is going to get into trouble for speaking out what his people stand for? for standing for what is morally right, what is natural, that which sustains life. very sad coming from a person like amanpour SAD!!
As a nonstraight American, I see where hes coming from. This is a cultural issue, which is different from economic issues the country really needs to work on. Its unfortunate on either side, but hes gotta prioritize. Just my OPINION though.
My opinion and nothing else, I personally feel the AIDS epidemic should be more of a top priority. I recently read a article about prostitution there and most have hiv or aids and they don’t tell their clients. I’m all for rights for everyone but somethings are more important.
@Matt Wilson II yes the rest of the world must teach them how to be equalitarian. And homosexuals are 4-10% of the population, not 1%, and the fact thy're a minority doesn't mean it is ok to discriminate them you idiot